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Want the moon? I’ll lasso it for you

by Andrea Elizabeth

When Obama effectively killed the space program, I was thinking it may be a temporary ending contingent on his 4 year term. Now that Newt is promising us the moon, the oddness of it makes it seem like we’ve lost the vision on a deeper level. Last night on Rock Center, astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said that people are no longer talking about a hopeful future in our country in general, and that it is tied to the death of the space race. It does seem the two are related. “Why build a moon base” and “why go to Mars” seem more valid questions. Additionally, other futuristic technology such as rocket type cars, food replicators, and dome dwellings have gone by the wayside. Instead we are wanting to teleport ourselves into our handheld smartphones, disregarding the real world around us.

And can the real world compete? If we’ve lost our hope of improving it, and are stuck with very questionable results of our past efforts, what else is there to do? I say, ‘Get thee to a monastery.’

looking for space

by Andrea Elizabeth

I have been reminded by a couple of people this week that the Church has never really enjoyed a blissful earthly existence. Our greatest Saints are those who had their tongues cut out  by the Church and who died in exile. They never rejected the Church, however, even in the midst of personal persecution. These stories are common knowledge, but I think the common perception, at least in my case, is that these Saints endured in order to fix problems and to define the faith once and for all in the Seven Ecumenical Councils so that we can rest in their accomplishments. I think some of Orthodox propaganda perpetuates that myth, “Come and see the Church that Jesus built.” Yes the faith has been preserved and revealed in the Orthodox Church through their struggles, but when one enters, one does not find that all is accomplished. One still has to battle for one’s salvation and sadly, become disillusioned with the leaders. Even if one or two of them are Saints, that’s not impossible, one may have an idealistic view of what a Saint is. Some Saints are that because of one extraordinary act. The rest of their acts may have been less than ideal. I sometimes have the notion that Saints sinned when they were young, but that they got over it. Maybe some of them keep sinning. But I don’t feel qualified to declare new Saints anymore. The opposite outlook sees corruption everywhere. I think this is just as deluded. I don’t know how much should be put up with, but right now, I just need to back off of my expectations and let them go. Trying to justify them  isn’t working for me either. I just need some space to deal with reality.

Who do we say He is?

by Andrea Elizabeth

To explain my idea of Theology First, since teased by the Intro to GHD by Dr. Joseph Farrell, I propose that being made in the image of God makes the primacy of theology inevitable whether one is an atheist, pagan, or Christian (not going so far as to distinguish between the east and west at this point). I believe all try to live by What Would Jesus Do, and that unbelievers merely substitute another deity, an admired person, or his own ideal self, based on his ideas of a good person, in Christ’s place. An atheist is his own god who invents the universe as he sees fit.

Therefore a person’s understanding of God guides his pursuits in other disciplines. If he believes God is strict, he’s conservative. If he believes God is lovingly lenient, he’s liberal. If he believes sometimes and both, I guess he’s moderate.

There are a few more things I’d like to quote from the Introduction to God, History, and Dialectic (which can be read in its entirety here). (btw, I found the quoted text in my posts align better if zoomed in)

Theology — not philosophy, literature, geography, economics, politics, law, art,
music, or science — was and is the mainspring of our culture and history. It is that which
set it in motion, and maintained its cohesion and harmonious movement. When the
theological unity of Europe was fractured in that original break of 1014, the movement
became disjointed, with the Two Europes tied together like racers in a three-legged race,
tied together in the leg of a common history, but now with two “minds” and two different
sets of historical time operating. This Geistesgeschichte is therefore an unabashedly
theological work based upon traditional Eastern Orthodox dogmatics. But this should not
be taken to mean that it is merely about theology. It is rather about the consequences of
theology, both heretical and Orthodox, in all areas of culture: law, politics, constitutional
development, philosophy, and science. (p. 6. the unlocked version has different page numbers. This is probably around p. 12 in the sample.)

About the autonomy of culture within the Church, where God is truly first,

Orthodox Christian Tradition is its core essence, and because of that cultural autonomy, it is able to
transplant itself into a variety of vernaculars. It is able therefore to create in Russia a
nation whose origins and national culture do not depend on the simultaneous transmission
of Graeco-pagan culture in any sense, even in the sense of the transmission of that pagan
heritage that became typical of the Second Europe after Augustine and down to our own
day. (p. 8 )

I tend to view Church and then family culture as all important. I’m not sure how secular culture fits in exactly, (Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and such) but like I say, one’s view of God affects how one behaves in and responds to society.

And regarding if the hellenic god is the same as the Christian God,

Augustine the Hellenizer erected a system founded upon a continuity of theology with
Greek philosophy, a continuity of incalculable enormity: the identification of The One(to
en) of Greek philosophy with the One God and Father of Christian doctrine. That
marriage of Theology and Philosophy occurred not at some secondary level of doctrine,
but at the core, at the height, of all Christian belief, the doctrine of God Himself. So long
as this cohabitation went undetected and unchallenged, so long did its hidden
implications take root, grow, and eventually overwhelm and choke the Christian
component. Our current moral and spiritual crisis is the result of that marriage, and will
not be resolved until the churches which persist in it, beginning with Rome, repent and
recant the error. For Augustine saw discontinuity with that Graeco-pagan world, but the
theologians, philosophers, and humanists who came after him and who were the heirs of
his system, came increasingly to see continuity. (p. 9 out of 10)

I have had a softer, more from Mars Hill, view of this in that I’ve thought that pre-Christian ideas about God were less detailed and less accurate, but that they were the best ignorant people could do, short of the revelation of Christ. He may even have given them a clue, being their Father too. However, we are created for his revelation and communion, so one should not minimize the distinction between those who have properly entered into Christ through the Church, His Body, and those who have not. Nor about who people rightly or wrongly say Christ is.

Tangled and Grey Gardens

by Andrea Elizabeth

Continuing with meaning and doors. Tangled is worthwhile, imo. It is probably the most Disney World of all the movies, but there was insightful character portrayal of “mother seduction” mixed with undermining (which I read about after watching Grey Gardens. Here’s another article on it. btw not for children.) that can lead to daughters developing Borderline Personality Disorder, or to at least have the angst which is so well portrayed in Tangled. Some may also say it’s a critique of over-protection or even homeschooling. Not too long ago I would have gotten defensive over the homeschooling part, but I think the problems in the relationship have more to do with mother-seduction and undermining and would happen whether the child went to public school or not. Edie Beale (Grey Gardens) went to school, except for the year or two she was kept at home. One would have to vilify cloistering in general to make that claim, which I think is too simplistic. See St. Macrina and her mother for a more positive example. Over-vilification of the outside world is also the problem, which leads me to the doors.

There was a symbolic scene in Rapunzel’s tower where she paints over the only religious symbol in her room. What she replaced it with was a worthy symbol of human communion, but the message is that true human love is the only thing you can count on, not God. Additionally, there is also a message that scary people in bars, the other doors, are the true saviors. I can’t help but think that is just wishful thinking. I remember in my rebellious years thinking that the “lower sort” were more real and true than Christians, but they turned out to bite me too. You really can’t put your faith in a type of person. I almost said, ‘don’t trust in princes or the sons of men’, and that is true, but I trust and need George so I can’t really make a blanket, unqualified statement like that.

The doors, let us attend

by Andrea Elizabeth

Perhaps the theme in The Universe as Symbols and Signs by St. Nikolai Velimirovich is here:

9. What is essential in a written word? The ink with which it is written, or the form of the letters, or the paper upon which it is written? No. The meaning of it. And what is the essential in a spoken word, or even in a voice? The mere sound? No. The meaning. Paul says, “There are many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” (Cor. 14:10)

In yesterday’s post I mentioned hope and a comprehension of the reality of invisible things. They, like “meaning” are invisible. I feel I can get too gnostic or utilitarian in thinking through this. I mentioned even earlier the idea of seeing all doors as symbols of Christ who says He is The Door. Upon further reflection, I think that not all doors are equal. The goal is for a door to be incarnated with the true meaning. I think this can mainly be true of consecrated doors, like the Royal Doors in front of the alter. In this way they become His flesh that we must enter into through the Holy Mysteries. The other doors in the Church also achieve this significance somewhat. A person’s home can become consecrated through being blessed and dedicated to the things of the Lord, and thus one could strive to walk blamelessly through the doors of one’s own home and also think of the mansions in heaven with many rooms. But not all edifices have blameless doors. One cannot only keep in mind an ideal door no matter where one is. If a door leads to a bad situation, one should at least intervene with prayer for its redemption. So in that way perhaps the good door is kept in mind when in the presence of a bad door.

Two things on my mind

by Andrea Elizabeth

I wonder if all people have either dream jobs, dream relationships, dream homes, dream bodies, or dream pets (hesitating to put dream parishes in this list). Maybe some even have all of them at once. The rest have to toil to at least maintain the less dreamy ones. Welcome to the real, but temporally necessary world.

The third episode, A Nation Reborn, of God in America, presents the most insightful (meaning I agree with them) explanation of the Civil War that I have ever heard. Rather than the war being started because of slavery or state’s rights, it was about who people think God sides with, and how they think he treats those who aren’t on his side, which in both cases was pretty brutally.

Askew and awry, or, against idealism

by Andrea Elizabeth

Perfection is cold and boring. This is why I’ve heard some movie stars be advised against straightening their teeth. Without their uniqueness, they disappear among the strictly beautiful. Strict beauty floats away from us. We can bond with imperfection. This is why we can’t bond with cubism. It is why CGI has developed inconsistencies in their lines. Perfect lines are too hard. As in texture, not difficulty.

If creation is imperfect, and so far it has always been because Adam and Eve were not mature and wise, even before they sinned, then in recognizing our relationship to the imperfect keeps us from being gnostic. Perhaps Plato was right to say that the perfect forms of beauty and goodness exist away from us. It is also why Christ became Incarnate. So was pre-resurrected Christ imperfect? We have to begin with the premise that he was and is not. He didn’t have a gnomic will. But he perfected human nature as a divine person through suffering in the flesh. His suffering was ugly, but he made it beautiful through his love for us. He used his broken body to heal us. He uses it still. It is a different kind of beautiful.

Love and the right, or ability, to choose

by Andrea Elizabeth

War and Peace (5)

Prince Nikolai: Remember one thing, Princess: I hold to the rule that a girl has the full right to choose. And I give you freedom. Remember one thing: the happiness of your life depends on your decision. There’s no point in talking about me.

Princess Marya: But I don’t know… mon père.

Prince Nikolai: There’s no point in talking! They’ll tell him [Anatole], and he’ll marry not only you but anyone else as well; but you’re free to choose… Go to your room, think it over, and in an hour come to me and say in his presence: yes or no. I know you’ll be praying. Well, pray then. Only you’d better think. Now go. (p. 230)

***

This passage and what happens next follows the story of the decision-making, or lack of decision-making regarding Pierre’s future. Pierre does not have a perceptive father to guide him or to offer an alternative to Prince Vassily’s plots as Princess Marya does however. But even that was not enough to insure her good decision. God through submissive prayer provided better insurance:

She roused herself and was horrified at what she had been thinking. And before going downstairs, she stood up, went to her icon room, and, fixing her eyes on the dark lamp-lit face of a large icon of the Savior, stood before it with clasped hands for several minutes. There was tormenting doubt in Princess Marya’s soul [as in Pierre's]. Was the joy of love, of earthly love for a man, possible for her? Thinking of marriage, Princess Marya dreamed of family happiness and children, but her chiefest, strongest, and most secret dream was of earthly love. This feeling was all the stronger, the more she tried to conceal it from others and even from herself. “My God,” she said, “how can I suppress these devil’s thoughts in my heart? How can I renounce evil imaginings forever, so as peacefully to do Thy will?” And she had barely asked this question, when God answered her in her own heart: “Desire nothing for yourself; do not seek, do not worry, do not envy. The future of people and your own fate must be unknown to you; but live so as to be ready for anything. If God should see fit to test you in the duties of marriage, be ready to fulfill His will.” With this reassuring thought (but still with a hope that her forbidden earthly dream would be fulfilled), Princess Marya sighed, crossed herself, and went downstairs without thinking about her dress, or her hairstyle, or how she would walk in, or what she would say. What could all that mean in comparison with the predestination of God, without whose will not one hair falls from man’s head. (p. 221)

So far the three marriages, four if you count the Rostov’s, that have been scrutinized have been unhappy, or at least less than ideal. The Rostov’s is better in that they respect each other, but while happy, they are not infatuated or “in love” with each other either. Tolstoy wrote this as a newly-wed and I wonder if his own situation is reflected. The little princess Bolkonsky seems in love with Prince Andrei, but he no longer feels that way about her, and with her revealed little selfishnesses, one wonders how capable she is of loving rather than desirous of being loved.

When the dinner party guests believe that Pierre and Hélène are in love, they envy the couple’s happiness and believe it to be more fulfilling than any topic of conversation they animatedly engage in. The reality doesn’t live up to it though. Is “earthly love” forbidden as Princess Marya fears but still hopes for? Is it always fleeting? Is it one of many callings, as Princess Marya comes to think, or is it an icon of heavenly love that must be looked through and not grasped at as the end-all, be-all of existence?

Attraction without love has also been described as a base thing that good people feel bad about and characterless people indulge in without restraint. The French ladies’ companion, Bourienne, is also without guidance, and seems “destined” to fall through the one little story that has stuck with her from her past. Her only guidance left over from an aunt.

It was a story about a seduced girl, whose poor mother, sa pauvre mère, appeared to her in a vision and reproached her for giving herself to a man outside wedlock. Mlle Bourienne often brought herself to tears, telling him, the seducer, this story in her imagination. Now he, this real Russian prince, had come. He will carry her off, then ma pauvre mère will appear, and he will marry her. (226,7)

We’ll see.

Reading update

by Andrea Elizabeth

Having now finished Homer’s Iliad, and Plato’s works on love, The Symposium and Phaedrus, I have a few observations.

Homer puts forth love as the most compelling motivating factor. Achilles doesn’t fight on account of his love of Briseis and then does fight for love of Patroclus. Hector gets favors for his love of the gods, and his parents are worthy for their love of him. The loss of a loved one motivates most of the action in this story.

The Symposium presents several dinner party contributions for honoring love and Phaedrus begins by saying one is better off without it. I didn’t find Socrates’ defense in Phaedrus as compelling as the tributes in The Symposium. He seems bored with it and then goes off into what makes effective rhetoric, which I skimmed through. I did appreciate his one self-criticism that he didn’t use enough illustrations though.

The taken for granted attractions of homosexuality were very surprising and icky. When they were first introduced in The Symposium I tried to give it the benefit of the doubt by rationalizing that if men are stronger and usually advance further on single tracks than women then in one’s quest for perfection one would appreciate men, even if one was a man. This can be supported by Christ being male and that Eve represents a removed part of Adam. He gives  a nod to women in saying that sometimes particular women exceed particular men, but that just makes those particular men look bad as if they weren’t living up to their superior potential. Ok, while I’m getting worked up more than when I read it I’ll go ahead and complain that when Achilles is giving out prizes, oxen and cauldrons are 1st and 2nd place and a female slave is 3rd! When Plato is glib and matter of fact halfway through The Symposium about the homosexual act, I gave up trying to understand. And as usual in these types of classic literature, attraction to women is considered a weakness. Having a chip on one’s shoulder is passionate, so rant over.

After watching PBS’s rerun on their Frontline show on Mormonism the last couple of nights, I’m thinking that rocking cradles and domestic (not 5 star) cooking is a fine enough role, and men who don’t indulge their weakness can have all their prizes. I wonder, however, why Mormon women are more likely to be depressed than other American women even if polygamy isn’t sanctioned by the church anymore.

Speaking of men who overcame their attraction to women, now I can get back to Kierkegaard.

More on openness

by Andrea Elizabeth

“The bells at Belgrade’s Cathedral Church rang out today to announce that Bishop Irinej of Nis had been elected patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church.”

The 79-year-old Irinej will be the Serbian Orthodox Church’s 45th patriarch.

The veteran bishop, known to be relatively moderate, was picked at a gathering of dozens of bishops and other clergy at the Patriarchate in Belgrade.

He is expected to be enthroned on January 23 in a ceremony broadcast on television.

He will replace Patriarch Pavle, who died in November following a long illness at the age of 95. Pavle had headed the church for almost 20 years, a period that included the ethnic wars of the 1990s, which accompanied the breakup of Yugoslavia.

In a statement issued by the Belgrade patriarchate, Irinej said he would carry the “burden and all the problems of my awesome and difficult duty together with my fellow bishops.”

The new patriarch will have to face long-lasting issues such as relations with the Vatican and churches in Macedonia and Montenegro that are seeking independence.

Observers see Irinej as seeking compromise between conservatives — who are opposed to openness to other churches and Western influences in Serbian society — and reformists, who want the church to be more open and modern.

In a recent interview, Irinej said he would not oppose a visit to Serbia by the Roman Catholic pope. The hard-liners of the church have long opposed such a visit.” (from here)

In thinking further about “openness”, one’s stance on relations with other Churches stands out as defining if you’re a conservative, moderate, or liberal. I appreciate the traditionalist point of view of not allowing proselytizing western influences into one’s country, but in this day and age efforts  to restrict such access can come across at totalitarian and condescending towards both the ones being kept out and the ones being protected from such influence. Such efforts also can come across as being based in fear. I wonder if there is a way to be fearlessly traditional and open at the same time.

This paragraph laments an unhealthy openness to the west:

Unfortunately, this Orthodox movement as a whole started to collapse when Russia began to be infiltrated by Western influence. In certain respects, Russia’s acquaintance with the European West was very beneficial. Many technical sciences and much other useful knowledge came from the West. We know that Christianity has never had any aversion to knowledge of that which originates outside itself. Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian and John Chrysostom studied in pagan universities, and many writers, among whom were our spiritual authors and many of the best theologians, were well acquainted with pagan writers. The Apostle Paul himself cited quotations from pagan poets even in the Holy Scriptures. Nevertheless, not all that was Western was good for Russia. It also wrought horrible moral damage at that time, for the Russians began to accept, along with useful knowledge, that which was alien to our Orthodox way of life, to our Orthodox faith. The educated portion of society soon sundered themselves from the life of the people and from the Orthodox Church, in which all was regulated by ecclesiastical norms. Later, alien influence touched Iconography as well. Images of the Western type began to appear, perhaps beautiful from an artistic point of view, but completely lacking in sanctity, beautiful in the sense of earthly beauty, but even scandalous at times, and devoid of spirituality. Such were not Icons. They were distortions of Icons, exhibiting a lack of comprehension of what an Icon actually is. (from here)

A distinction between what is true, holy, and authoritative does not have to be thrown out when considering openness. When thinking of strict, purist traditionalism, on one hand I think it is healthy to hold that it does not need any improvement or influence from elsewhere. A rough-hewn log cabin Church with no electricity, served by a consecrated priest in handmade vestments, with beeswax candles and hand-copied service books (without the filioque) sung in Znamenny chant lacks nothing. But this is not how people live anymore. I think they should. Now how to get them that way. Let them come, be nice to them, but be the most stubborn non-conformist in history. Curiosity and appreciation of other “developments” can be entertained in conversation, and then left at the door of the true Church.

One of my complaints during the years I was against Harry Potter was how discriminatingly and condescendingly Muggles (those who denied magic) were portrayed. They were seen as oaffish, dumb, and mean. The portrayal was angry and unloving. I think Rowling, after she vented in the first book or two, maybe even legitimately so in that stage of grieving (anger) over a missing dimension in people’s lives and their own hostility to it (not that I’m promoting magic, but deification, as if that’s going to make anyone more comfortable) calmed down and legitimized an appreciation for technology, which Muggles use instead of magic, in the character of the wizard, Mr. Weasley. Not that he wanted to trade in magic and live as a Muggle. He was secure with his own reality, but open to how others lived in a non-threatened, non-hostile way.

There is a time and place for entertaining outside realities. Sometimes the Church has baptized “foreign” elements, such as electricity, for better or worse. But if anything is opposed to her teachings, she draws a line and will defensibly not let it in. The Orthodox Church is the authority and any outside teaching must humble itself to her judgment. There are various ways this authority is exerted, and loving discernment must be applied as responses are tailored to fit the conversation. In abortion, heresy, and homosexuality for instance, the unwavering truth must be maintained while considering the stage of development and understanding in the “opponent”.  An earlier post brought out how the “opponent” may have other qualities one can learn from such as their love, care, and service to others. Sometimes, however, we must sadly look on as others depart like the Rich Young Ruler who are not open to the fullness of life in Christ. To follow Christ one must be willing to give up everything. And for Orthodox, that may even include some of our ideals like the un-electrified log cabin.

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